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Peter (also Petter) STAY
Male 1779 - 1859


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  • Birth  2 May 1779  Milford On Sea, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Christened  2 May 1779  Milford On Sea, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender  Male 
    _UID  36A9F06A74875A47842B0343FCD08FC9EEFE 
    AFN  B6PS-9R 
    Died  4 May 1859  Milton, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Buried  , Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID  I53  Stay Family Tree
    Last Modified  25 Feb 2009 

    Father  Richard STAY, (3),   b. Abt 1748,   bur. 4 Jul 1828, Hordle, Hamps, Engl Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Mother  Ann ALDREDGE,   b. Abt 1748, Hordle, Hampshire, Eng Find all individuals with events at this location,   bur. 20 Jul 1820, Hordle, Hamps, Eng Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married  24 Oct 1774  Hordle, Hamps, Engl Find all individuals with events at this location 
    _UID  07E583FF5E6E264AB3EB5A3477B300CBCB15 
    Family ID  F32  Group Sheet

    Family  Sarah MUSSEN OR MUSTON,   b. 26 Oct 1783, Canford Magna, Dorset, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 9 Apr 1850, Milton, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married  27 Oct 1803  Canford Magna, Dorset, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    _UID  A096F0DE0948B3459C8BF4480566B5956531 
    Children 
     1. Ann STAY,   b. Oct 1804, Lytchett Minster, Dorset, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Feb 1883
     2. Elisea STAY,   b. 25 Dec 1806, Lytchett Minster, Dorset, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. May 1889
     3. Mary STAY,   b. 25 Jun 1809, Hordle, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. May 1889
     4. John STAY,   b. 15 Sep 1811, Hordle, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1867
     5. Charles STAY,   b. 24 Oct 1813, Milford On Sea, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 3 Jan 1893, Christchurch, Dorset, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location
     6. William STAY,   b. 3 Apr 1817, Ashley, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1843
     7. Rebecca STAY,   b. 21 Jul 1819, Milton, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1892
     8. Joseph STAY,   b. 24 Apr 1822, Ashley, Hampshr., England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 5 Jan 1903, Salt Lake City, S-Lk, Ut Find all individuals with events at this location
     9. Sarah STAY,   b. 1824, Barton, Hamps, Eng. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. May 1898
    Family ID  F10  Group Sheet

  • Documents
    Map 1 Study Area 1787
    Map 1 Study Area 1787
    This map of the study area shows the relationship of Hordle, Barton Ashley Area and Milford. Vaggs Lane is noted as Bagg Lane, Arnewood is above that. Setley is at the top right of the map.
    Survey with Swaye Quarr (Hampshire Record Office Ref 8m56/282)
    Survey with Swaye Quarr (Hampshire Record Office Ref 8m56/282)
    Map 2 Study Area
    Map 2 Study Area
    This is a map dated just after Peter Stay’s birth that better displays the relationship of Hordle, Ashley area (three locations), Barton, Milton and Milford.
    A Section of the 1841 Tithe Map of the Milton Parish
    A Section of the 1841 Tithe Map of the Milton Parish
    Hordle Parish Boundaries
    Hordle Parish Boundaries

    Histories
    A History of Peter Stay
    A History of Peter Stay
    A History of Peter Stay's Ancestors Part 1
    A History of Peter Stay's Ancestors Part 1
    A History of Peter Stay's Ancestors Part 2
    A History of Peter Stay's Ancestors Part 2

    Recordings
    Do I Stay
    Do I Stay
    Song from original musical "Here to Stay" written by Steve Danielson

  • Notes 

    • !Death entry source:
      Civil Registration Indexes to Deaths for England and Wales
      Lymington Retistration District 1859 - 2nd quarter -2b-337 Geographic location:
      Lymington is a registration district in Hampshire.

      Peter Stay born in Hordle parish but bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea parish Church

      Baptisim source:
      IGI (International Genealogical Index - Hampshire)
      Peter Stay bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea

      Although he was born in Hordle, Peter was baptized at Milford-on-Sea is a parish within the registration district of Lymington. Milford is adjacent to Hordle

      1841 Census Hordle, Hampshire Eng GS #288797 Milford, Hordle, Lymington Hamps.
      Peter Stay -62-ag lab-yes
      Sarah " -58- -yes

      1851 Census Milton, Hampshire Eng

      !Death entry source:
      Civil Registration Indexes to Deaths for England and Wales
      Lymington Retistration District 1859 - 2nd quarter -2b-337 Geographic location:
      Lymington is a registration district in Hampshire.

      Peter Stay born in Hordle parish but bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea parish Church

      Baptisim source:
      IGI (International Genealogical Index - Hampshire)
      Peter Stay bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea

      Although he was born in Hordle, Peter was baptized at Milford-on-Sea is a parish within the registration district of Lymington. Milford is adjacent to Hordle

      1841 Census Hordle, Hampshire Eng GS #288797 Milford, Hordle, Lymington Hamps.
      Peter Stay -62-ag lab-yes
      Sarah " -58- -yes

      1851 Census Milton, Hampshire Eng
      Peter Stay -head-widower-72-pauper-Hordle, Hamps. blind
      John " -son -unmarr -39-ag lab-Milford, "
      Rebecca" -dau - " -31- Milton "
      Ellen " -g-dau- " - 6-scholar "

      Note: Milton is adjacent to Hordle

      !Researcher notes-
      The age given in both censuses corresponds with information located in the IGI and also the location of two children, Rebecca and John helped to confirm the assumption that Peter did in fact originate in Hordle. Secondly, Sarah is given as the wife of Peter in the 1841 Census.

      !Marriage source: Dorset Marriage Index Foxbar Woodlands Wimborne BH216LJ
      Peter X Stay of Lower Lytchett = Sarah Mussen of Longfleet
      27 Oct 1803 at Canford Magna
      Wit: Joseph Pearce and Matthew Young

      !This marriage is confirmed to be our Peter because of the two oldest daughters born at this location, Ann born 21 Oct 1804 at Lytchett Minster, and Elisea born 25 Dec. 1806. The family records have never listed the birth location of these two children.

      !Note: Marriage of Peter Stay & Sarah Mussen:
      This is a significant finding for two reasons first it places Peter about 12-15 miles north north east of the primary study area in Lower Lytchett which is located in Dorset, Canford Magna, where the marriage was registerd, it is just a mile or so north of Lytchett.
      The second significant finding is the recording of Sarah's name to be "Mussen" not Muston as recorded in the family records. We have looked for Sarah Muston for a considerable time to no avail.

      The marriage of Peter's parents was determined. i.e.
      Richard Stay and Ann Aldridge married 24 Oct. 1774 at Hordle
      source - Marriages of Hampshire England 1560 - 1837 942.27 V26 ma


      John " -son -unmarr -39-ag lab-Milford, "
      Rebecca" -dau - " -31- Milton "
      Ellen " -g-dau- " - 6-scholar "

      Note: Milton is adjacent to Hordle

      !Researcher notes-
      The age given in both censuses corresponds with information located in the IGI and also the location of two children, Rebecca and John helped to confirm the assumption that Peter did in fact originate in Hordle. Secondly, Sarah is given as the wife of Peter in the 1841 Census.

      !Marriage source: Dorset Marriage Index Foxbar Woodlands Wimborne BH216LJ
      Peter X Stay of Lower Lytchett = Sarah Mussen of Longfleet
      27 Oct 1803 at Canford Magna
      Wit: Joseph Pearce and Matthew Young

      !This marriage is confirmed to be our Peter because of the two oldest daughters born at this location, Ann born 21 Oct 1804 at Lytchett Minster, and Elisea born 25 Dec. 1806. The family records have never listed the birth location of these two children.

      !Note: Marriage of Peter Stay & Sarah Mussen:
      This is a significant finding for two reasons first it places Peter about 12-15 miles north north east of the primary study area in Lower Lytchett which is located in Dorset, Canford Magna, where the marriage was registerd, it is just a mile or so north of Lytchett.
      The second significant finding is the recording of Sarah's name to be "Mussen" not Muston as recorded in the family records. We have looked for Sarah Muston for a considerable time to no avail.

      The marriage of Peter's parents was determined. i.e.
      Richard Stay and Ann Aldridge married 24 Oct. 1774 at Hordle
      source - Marriages of Hampshire England 1560 - 1837 942.27 V26 ma

      7/16/2002 file Peter Stay’s Place of Birth
      Peter Stay’s Place of Birth
      An early description of the Parish of Hordle indicates that the parish did not actually have a village, but consisted of groupings of scattered farms and houses. However, if a very old Norman church existed and there was a grouping of cottages around that church, then one would likely label the location as Hordwell or Hordle after the name of the church. Secondly, if the salt pans and other early buildings have been overtaken by the sea due to erosion, then a village could well have existed in the immediate area in olden times. Peter Stay’s possible place of birth
      The records showing Peter’s (Petter) christening, and then those showing the birth places of his children that were born indicate, Hordle, Ashley, Barton and Milford as explicit locations.Also the 1848 census indicates Hordle as his place of birth.From old maps, in the Hordle parish there were a number of small units (clusters of cottages) in the area immediately surrounding the old Hordwell church, (Taddyford, Rockcliff, Ashley Hill, Oakland, Barton, Royal Oak, Aubrey Ho.and Beckton Farm), all are within a radius of one mile from the so-called village of Hordwell.The first Ordinance Survey map of the area was made in 1799/1800. The map is very precise and shows the location of the old Parish Church surrounded by seven buildings (Perhaps squatters cottages).This appears to be the present Manor farm and adjacent to where the current boys school (i.e. Hordle House) exists.Just to the East along the lane is what is known as the Taddyford area that on an earlier map (1825/26) shows six cottages or residences.The later map about 1867, does not show any residences in this immediate area except for the Hordle Manor Farm and Hordle House and it also shows the “Taddiford” farm complex just to the East of the Hordle House and Manor Farm.
      Our contact Mrs. West also found a Rentral list for the Manor of Hordle.She sent me a copy of the list dated 1702 which included a Richard Smythe a freeholder as holding land and paying rents to the Manor.
      This is supposition however, because the Hordle Parish included a number of small cottages dispersed throughout the parish in both tithings, the Arnewood Tithing and the Hordle Tithing. The close proximity to Milford is the key, Peters birth is recorded in the Milford Parish records which is in very close proximity to the old Hordle church.Less than one mile! (Peter Stay bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea, son of Richard Stay of Hordle. See film GS #1595858) From the birth records of Peter’s children, it is clear that the family attend both chapels, the old Hordle chapel and the Milford chapel.
      I would think, therefore, after this rather lengthy discourse that we may well assume that Peter originated from the immediate area in the vicinity the Old Hordle church.

      2002 Movements by Peter file
      Movements by Peter during his life.
      Peter moved about during his life, why?What took him to Lower Lytchett before his marriage?What took him back to the Hordle/Milford area.He then relocated to Christchurch, then back to Hordle, and finally to Milton.
      It appears that Peter was an itinerant laborer who moved about, as work was available or the land held by the Lord of the Manor where he moved to work the land as dictated.
      Peter Stay was born in Hordle 1779, Christened in Milford. (see Peter’s Place of Birth document)
      He married Sarah Mussen, Sarah lived in Longfleet, Dorset while he lived in Lower Lytchett, Dorset that was just above Pool. These two villages are about two or three miles apart.
      Sarah Mussen, Peters wife, was born or christened in Canford Magna, Dorset in 1783.
      Peter and Sarah were married at Canford Magna, Dorset, in 1803.Sarah lived in Longfleet, at the time of their marriage.
      His first two children (Ann and Elisa) were born in Lytchett Minster, or near Lower Lytchett.
      Ann in 1804 and Elisa in 1806.
      His third and fourth children, Mary and John were listed as born in Hordle, Mary in 1809 and John in 1811.
      The fifth Child Charles was christened in Milford in 1813.
      The sixth child William was listed as born in Ashley about 1816.
      The seventh Child Joseph was also listed as born in Ashley in 1822.
      The eighth child Rebecca was born in Barton in 1824
      The villages Hordle, Milford, Ashley, Barton and Milton are all within a three mile radius or less, Ashley, and Barton are within the Milton Parish.
      It is important to note the above period of about ten years.
      Upon returning from Christchurch, their residence (place of settlement”) was in the Milton Parish.Based upon the Act called the Law of Settlement, which made every pauper chargeable upon removable to his becca were baptized into the Independent Church. (The Congregation of Protestant Dissenters)
      It appears that Ann and Elisa were married in Christchurch
      ·Peter was on the Poor roles in Christchurch in 1831.(About 52 years of age)Two entries from the Overseers of the Poor Law dated May 21 and May 28th with a notation “under “Casual payments and not long term support” i.e. not permanent persons needing aid from the church, shows that Peter and Sarah lived for a period in Christchurch near their children.
      Perhaps we can assume that if Peter and Sarah were on the Poor roles, that Peter might have been unable to work because of illness or his blindness, thus he may have followed his children to Christchurch who provided for his care.
      Peter and Sarah lived in Hordle (1841 Census) and lived with John and Rebecca along with Rebecca’s child Ellen.
      The family moved to Milton during this period. We should look for an order of Removal by the Overseers of Hordle to have Peter and his family removed from the Hordle Parish to his “Place of Settlement” or they could have voluntarily moved back to their Place of Settlement, which may give an account for his ending up on the poor roles of the Milton Parish. It would seem that this was based upon his last permanent residence in Ashley and Barton for at least ten years.See Harry’s notation from the Poor Law Minute Books of the Poor Law Lymington Union under outdoor relief)
      Based upon Harry’s research, the Parish of Milton had accommodations and utilized cottages for carrying for the very poor and infirmed. (see notations in the Peter Stay History)
      Sarah died in Milton in 1850
      Peter resided in Milton (1851 Census) listed as Widower age 72 – Pauper – blind.
      Peter died Milton 1859 age 81 years.
      Why did Peter live in Dorset at time of marriage?Is there some connection between Hordle and Lytchett?In the Catholic Record Society records there is a reference to this issue.Perhaps we may assume that Peter may have been Catholic in his youth or had sympathies with those of the Catholic faith.We have located Muston’s and Mussons on the Catholic recusant rolls in Canford Magna.Perhaps Sarah came from a Catholic family.
      No.111 The Registers of Canford and Stapehill, Dorsetshire 1772-1856
      P. 122 “Canford and Stapehill are not in Hampshire and belong to the present diocese of Plymouth, but as will be seen by the Introduction to Sopley, they are closely connected with the latter mission.”We find a number of families that had holdings in both areas.This could account for Peter’s move from Hordle to Lytchett because of his employment with one of these families.tlements of poor and disabled individuals and their families.

      1841 Census Hordle, Hampshire Eng GS #288797 Milford, Hordle, Lymington Hamps.
      Peter Stay -62-ag lab-yes
      Sarah " -58- -yes

      1851 Census Milton, Hampshire Eng
      Peter Stay -head-widower-72-pauper-Hordle, Hamps. blind
      John " -son -unmarr - 39-ag lab -Milford, "
      Rebecca" -dau - " -31- Milton "
      Ellen " -g-dau- " - 6-scholar "

      Note: Milton is adjacent to Hordle

      !Marriage source: Dorset Marriage Index Foxbar Woodlands Wimborne BH216LJ
      Peter X Stay of Lower Lytchett = Sarah Mussen of Longfleet
      27 Oct 1803 at Canford Magna
      Wit: Joseph Pearce and Matthew Young

      !This marriage is confirmed to be our Peter because of the two oldest daughters born at this location, Ann born 21 Oct 1804 at Lytchett Minster, and Elisea born 25 Dec. 1806. The family records have never listed the birth location of these two children.

      !Note: Marriage of Peter Stay & Sarah Mussen:
      This is a significant finding for two reasons first it places Peter about 12-15 miles north north east of the primary study area in Lower Lytchett which is located in Dorset, Canford Magna, where the marriage was registerd, it is just a mile or so north of Lytchett.
      The second significant finding is the recording of Sarah's name to be "Mussen" not Muston as recorded in the family records. We have looked for Sarah Muston for a considerable time to no avail.

      The marriage of Peter's parents was determined. i.e.
      Richard Stay and Ann Aldridge married 24 Oct. 1774 at Hordle
      source - Marriages of Hampshire England 1560 - 1837 942.27 V26 ma

      7/16/2002 file Peter Stay’s Place of Birth (Gary Stay's Notes)

      An early description of the Parish of Hordle indicates that the parish did not actually have a village, but consisted of groupings of scattered farms and houses. However, if a very old Norman church existed and there was a grouping of cottages around that church, then one would likely label the location as Hordwell or Hordle after the name of the church. Secondly, if the salt pans and other early buildings have been overtaken by the sea due to erosion, then a village could well have existed in the immediate area in olden times. Peter Stay’s possible place of birth.

      The records showing Peter’s (Petter) christening, and then those showing the birth places of his children that were born indicate, Hordle, Ashley, Barton and Milford as explicit locations. Also the 1848 census indicates Hordle as his place of birth.From old maps, in the Hordle parish there were a number of small units (clusters of cottages) in the area immediately surrounding the old Hordwell church, (Taddyford, Rockcliff, Ashley Hill, Oakland, Barton, Royal Oak, Aubrey Ho.and Beckton Farm), all are within a radius of one mile from the so-called village of Hordwell.The first Ordinance Survey map of the area was made in 1799/1800. The map is very precise and shows the location of the old Parish Church surrounded by seven buildings (Perhaps squatters cottages).This appears to be the present Manor farm and adjacent to where the current boys school (i.e. Hordle House) exists.Just to the East along the lane is what is known as the Taddyford area that on an earlier map (1825/26) shows six cottages or residences.The later map about 1867, does not show any residences in this immediate area except for the Hordle Manor Farm and Hordle House and it also shows the “Taddiford” farm complex just to the East of the Hordle House and Manor Farm. Laura and I visited the area and only the Hordle Manor Farm and the boys school exist today adjacent to the old church and grave yard. Some old roads were noted in the farm land, where the former small structures existed on the early maps.

      Our contact Mrs. West also found a Rentral list for the Manor of Hordle.She sent me a copy of the list dated 1702 which included a Richard Smythe a freeholder as holding land and paying rents to the Manor. The 1702 Vaggs Lane Lease is between a Richard Smythe and Richard Stay.

      This is supposition however, because the Hordle Parish included a number of small cottages dispersed throughout the parish in both tithings, the Arnewood Tithing and the Hordle Tithing. The close proximity to Milford is the key, Peters birth is recorded in the Milford Parish records which is in very close proximity to the old Hordle church.Less than one mile! (Peter Stay bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea, son of Richard Stay of Hordle. See film GS #1595858) From the birth records of Peter’s children, it is clear that the family attend both chapels, the old Hordle chapel and the Milford chapel.
      I would think, therefore, after this rather lengthy discourse that we may well assume that Peter originated from the immediate area in the vicinity the Old Hordle church.

      2002 Movements by Peter file
      Movements by Peter during his life.
      Peter moved about during his life, why?What took him to Lower Lytchett before his marriage?What took him back to the Hordle/Milford area.He then relocated to Christchurch, then back to Hordle, and finally to Milton.
      It appears that Peter was an itinerant laborer who moved about, as work was available or the land held by the Lord of the Manor where he moved to work the land as dictated.
      Peter Stay was born in Hordle 1779, Christened in Milford. (see Peter’s Place of Birth document)
      He married Sarah Mussen, Sarah lived in Longfleet, Dorset while he lived in Lower Lytchett, Dorset that was just above Pool. These two villages are about two or three miles apart.
      Sarah Mussen, Peters wife, was born or christened in Canford Magna, Dorset in 1783.
      Peter and Sarah were married at Canford Magna, Dorset, in 1803.Sarah lived in Longfleet, at the time of their marriage.
      His first two children (Ann and Elisa) were born in Lytchett Minster, or near Lower Lytchett.
      Ann in 1804 and Elisa in 1806.
      His third and fourth children, Mary and John were listed as born in Hordle, Mary in 1809 and John in 1811.
      The fifth Child Charles was christened in Milford in 1813.
      The sixth child William was listed as born in Ashley about 1816.
      The seventh Child Joseph was also listed as born in Ashley in 1822.
      The eighth child Rebecca was born in Barton in 1824
      The villages Hordle, Milford, Ashley, Barton and Milton are all within a three mile radius or less, Ashley, and Barton are within the Milton Parish.
      It is important to note the above period of about ten years.
      Upon returning from Christchurch, their residence (place of settlement”) was in the Milton Parish.Based upon the Act called the Law of Settlement, which made every pauper chargeable upon removable to his becca were baptized into the Independent Church. (The Congregation of Protestant Dissenters)
      It appears that Ann and Elisa were married in Christchurch
      ·Peter was on the Poor roles in Christchurch in 1831.(About 52 years of age)Two entries from the Overseers of the Poor Law dated May 21 and May 28th with a notation “under “Casual payments and not long term support” i.e. not permanent persons needing aid from the church, shows that Peter and Sarah lived for a period in Christchurch near their children.
      Perhaps we can assume that if Peter and Sarah were on the Poor roles, that Peter might have been unable to work because of illness or his blindness, thus he may have followed his children to Christchurch who provided for his care.
      Peter and Sarah lived in Hordle (1841 Census) and lived with John and Rebecca along with Rebecca’s child Ellen.
      The family moved to Milton during this period. We should look for an order of Removal by the Overseers of Hordle to have Peter and his family removed from the Hordle Parish to his “Place of Settlement” or they could have voluntarily moved back to their Place of Settlement, which may give an account for his ending up on the poor roles of the Milton Parish. It would seem that this was based upon his last permanent residence in Ashley and Barton for at least ten years.See Harry’s notation from the Poor Law Minute Books of the Poor Law Lymington Union under outdoor relief)
      Based upon Harry’s research, the Parish of Milton had accommodations and utilized cottages for carrying for the very poor and infirmed. (see notations in the Peter Stay History)
      Sarah died in Milton in 1850
      Peter resided in Milton (1851 Census) listed as Widower age 72 – Pauper – blind.
      Peter died Milton 1859 age 81 years.
      Why did Peter live in Dorset at time of marriage?Is there some connection between Hordle and Lytchett?In the Catholic Record Society records there is a reference to this issue.Perhaps we may assume that Peter may have been Catholic in his youth or had sympathies with those of the Catholic faith.We have located Muston’s and Mussons on the Catholic recusant rolls in Canford Magna.Perhaps Sarah came from a Catholic family.
      No.111 The Registers of Canford and Stapehill, Dorsetshire 1772-1856
      P. 122 “Canford and Stapehill are not in Hampshire and belong to the present diocese of Plymouth, but as will be seen by the Introduction to Sopley, they are closely connected with the latter mission.”We find a number of families that had holdings in both areas.This could account for Peter’s move from Hordle to Lytchett because of his employment with one of these families.tlements of poor and disabled individuals and their families.