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101 Died Age 20 years was attending the University of Utah Aden Haskell STAY
 
102 Died Age 20 years was attending the University of Utah Aden Haskell STAY
 
103 !Baptism: Recorded in Dorset County Record Office Source Call #:13962250
Ann dau of Peter and Sarah Stay bapt 21 Oct 1804 Lytchett Minster Death date and Marriage were listed at time temple work was done by Sarah J. S. Powell (Sara Jane Stay Powell) nice.
Marriage to Robert Gandy was recorded by Sara Jane also on the Salt Lake Sealing records. 
Ann STAY
 
104 !Source of birth in Hordle parish register

The records also include Bettey being chr. 15 Apr 1785 d of Richard. We feel that this entry is incorrect and that the 1783 date should be used.



Bettey STAY
 
105 !Death is recorded as 3 Jan 1893 by Joseph Hyrum Stay nephew at the time of temple work, (no 24477 book 5m page 1068)

!1851 Census: Christchurch

! Chas Stay Head Mar 37 ag. lab shepherd Milford Hamps
Jane Wife 37 Sopley
Charlotte Dau 9 Christchurch
Jane Dau 7 Christchurch
Henry Son 2 Christchurch
Charles Son 2 days Christchurch

!First wife is recorded as Jane Brenton who was 37 years old at time of the 1851 Census. 2nd wife was Elizabeth Pomeroy born Dec 23, 1825 in Beamister, Dorset.


Married 25 December 1839,

!Death is recorded as 3 Jan 1893 by Joseph Hyrum Stay nephew at the time of temple work, (no 24477 book 5m page 1068)

1881 Census Hampshire, Christchurch (Elizabeth Pomeroy wife at 1881 census)
Dwelling: Whitehall
Census Place: Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341292 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1192 Folio 92 Page 40
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Charles STAY M 67 M Milford, Hampshire, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Ag Lab
Elizabeth STAY M 56 F Beaminster, Dorset, England
Rel: Wife
Joseph STAY U 17 M Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Printers Apprentice
Ellen STAY 16 F Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: General Servant Domestic
John STAY 12 M Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Annie STAY 8 F Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar 
Charles STAY
 
106 !Charles Stay was a twin to Clara Ann. Based upon family records, he and his sister must have been burried in St. Louis. Charles William STAY, (Twin)
 
107 !Baptism - Salt Lake First Ward records Microfilm 6502 Pt 23 Rec of Mem 1st Ward S-Lk pp 26,27,43
Marriage from records of Lilly Hawkins Pyper 
Charlotte Elizabeth STAY
 
108 !Clara Ann Stay twin to Charles William Stay Clarice Ann STAY, (twin)
 
109 !Baptism -
Elisea dau of Peter and Sarah Stay bapt 25 Dec 1806 Lytchett Minster
Dorset County Record Office re. Canford Magna,
Marriage recorded by Sarah Jane Stay Powell niece at time of temple work done in 1894 at the Salt Lake Temple (No. 1Batch #: M109871, Source Call #: 991711, 1396225

ne in 1894 at the Salt Lake Temple (No. 1
991711, 1396225

Batch #: M146583, Source Call #: 1041291

Source Call GS#:1041291 Her name was also spelled Eliza. Marriage is confirmed by the baptism of daughter Eliza born Christchurch "parents - James and Eliza Hoare" Also a second child Henry, born Christchurch, December 23, 1836, parents James & Eliza Hoar (Stay) Labourer.

Marriage located in the Parish Church, Christchurch Fisch #6,903,179
Hoar 1 Oct 1834 James wife Eliza Stay

Source Call GS#:1041291 Her name was also spelled Eliza. Marriage is confirmed by the baptism of daughter Eliza born Christchurch "parents - James and Eliza Hoare" Also a second child born Christchurch, December 23, 1836, parents James & Eliza Hoar (Stay) Labourer. 
Elisea STAY
 
110 !Records also show that John was married to Elizabeth Robinson which was recorded at the time his nephew Joseph H. Stay did his temple work 19 19 January 1894 at SL temple.

!Source Call #: 13961780

!The 1851 Census lists John Stay living with Peter age 72, Rebecca age 31 and Ellen living with John. Also the Census lists John as born in Milford.

!Records also show that John was married to Elizabeth Robinson which was recorded at the time his nephew Joseph H. Stay did his temple work 19 January 1894 at SL temple. Note: This may be incorrect, Joseph Hyrum may have mixed up the marriage with that of William, a younger brother) Source Call GS 13961780


! His marriage to Sarah Moone may be correct, in that he was single and living with Peter at the time of the 1851 census.

!Records also show that John was married to Elizabeth Robinson which was recorded at the time his nephew Joseph H. Stay did his temple work 19 January 1894 at SL temple.

Source Call #: 13961780

The 1851 Census lists John Stay living with Peter age 72, Rebecca age 31 and Ellen living with John. Also the Census lists John as born in Milford.
His marriage to Sarah Moone may be correct, in that he was single and living with Peter at the time of the 1850 census.‚‚‚ 
John STAY
 
111 !Source of birth Hordle parish register John STAY
 
112 !Birth source: Milford parish records by corespondence

Fathers name Richard

Source Call #: 12352870 
Jonathan STAY
 
113 !The family group sheet for Joseph Stay was completed from information recorded in the four generation family group sheets provided by several grandchildren. These groupsheets and information sources are recorded at the S.L.C. Gen Library.
Also temple work from the Endowement House and Salt Lake Temple records.
Joseph Stay lived his later life in the Salt Lake 1st Ward.

Source Call #: MARGET,415443, 4154570
Joseph was Baptized as a young child in the Independent Christchurch, Hampshire on 22 June 1828. His birth date and parents are varified by this bap. entry.

The steamship West Point carried the family from Liverpool to New York, arriving on the 6th of November 1858 after 36 days on the sea.

1870 Census St. Louis Mo.
Stay Joseph 48 m W Gardner England
Sarah 45 f w Keeping House England
Joseph 19 m w Gardner England
Charlotta 17 f w At house England
Louisa 13 f w At School Missouri
Rebeca 8 f w At School Missouri
*Feande, Mary 91 f w England

*Feamde Mary Lacy Pearce
Sarah's mother Mary Lacey Pearce may have remaired.
At age 91 Her birth would be about 1789.
Mary's death is listed as 7 Sep. 2873 in St. Louis.

US Census 1881 Utah

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Joseph STAY Self M Male W 58 ENG Gardner ENG
Sarah STAY Wife M Female W 55 ENG Keeping House ENG ENG
Rebecca STAY Dau S Female W 18 MS ENG ENG

Source Information:
Census Place 1st Ward, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Family History Library Film 1255337
NA Film Number T9-1337
Page Number 11B

Other Information:
Birth - born near Ashley, Milton Parish, Hampshire England<1822> 
Joseph STAY
 
114 !Joseph Hyrum Stay Rebaptized 28 Mar 1893
Marriage from family records
Joseph Hyrum took his own life in 1898, the family is reluctant to talk about Joseph H. 
Joseph Hyrum STAY
 
115 !Joseph Hyrum Stay Rebaptized 28 Mar 1893
Marriage from family records 
Joseph Hyrum STAY
 
116 !Louisa was blessed in Cheltenham Branch 26 July 1857 See GS #13656 pt 17 Cheltenham Br. Engl. Bk 156 p.1 Records of Members 1840-1862. Also information from Woodbury family records as to death.
Note birth date does not agree with Cheltenham records of 20 April 1858? 
Louisa STAY
 
117 !Louisa was blessed in Cheltenham Branch 26 July 1857 See GS #13656 pt 17 Cheltenham Br. Engl. Bk 156 p.1 Records of Members 1840-1862. Also information from Woodbury family records as to death.
Note birth date does not agree with Cheltenham records of 20 April 1858? 
Louisa STAY
 
118 !Marriage - Family records indicate she married James Edgell. We are not sure of the source of this marriage. We have looked is some of the parishes around Hordle and don't find any Edgell names listed. We note death date but are not sure of source. Temple records indicate her marriage to Edgell. Husbands name is also recorded as John Eagle or Engel.

!Source Call #: 13961780 Batch #:M146583, Source Call #: 1041291

!James Edgell was located in Christchurch and was baptized into the Independent Church as an adult.

Marriage is at Fisch #6,903,179 Edgell 29 Dec 1831 wife Mary Stay Parish Church Christchurch

!James Edgell was located in Christchurch and was baptized into the Independent Church as an adult. It is likely that the marriage took place in the Christchurch Independent Chruch. 
Mary STAY
 
119 Maty Ann died at the age of 11 years. Her birth was recorded. Cheltenham Branch See GS# 13656 pt. 17 Cheltenham Br. Engl. BK 156 p.1 Record of members 1840-1862. Branch records of the St. Louis 4th ward teachers district would lead us to believe she died in St. Louis, MO, and is buried there. Mary Ann STAY
 
120
!Death entry source:
Civil Registration Indexes to Deaths for England and Wales
Lymington Retistration District 1859 - 2nd quarter -2b-337 Geographic location:
Lymington is a registration district in Hampshire.

Peter Stay born in Hordle parish but bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea parish Church

Baptisim source:
IGI (International Genealogical Index - Hampshire)
Peter Stay bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea

Although he was born in Hordle, Peter was baptized at Milford-on-Sea is a parish within the registration district of Lymington. Milford is adjacent to Hordle

1841 Census Hordle, Hampshire Eng GS #288797 Milford, Hordle, Lymington Hamps.
Peter Stay -62-ag lab-yes
Sarah " -58- -yes

1851 Census Milton, Hampshire Eng

!Death entry source:
Civil Registration Indexes to Deaths for England and Wales
Lymington Retistration District 1859 - 2nd quarter -2b-337 Geographic location:
Lymington is a registration district in Hampshire.

Peter Stay born in Hordle parish but bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea parish Church

Baptisim source:
IGI (International Genealogical Index - Hampshire)
Peter Stay bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea

Although he was born in Hordle, Peter was baptized at Milford-on-Sea is a parish within the registration district of Lymington. Milford is adjacent to Hordle

1841 Census Hordle, Hampshire Eng GS #288797 Milford, Hordle, Lymington Hamps.
Peter Stay -62-ag lab-yes
Sarah " -58- -yes

1851 Census Milton, Hampshire Eng
Peter Stay -head-widower-72-pauper-Hordle, Hamps. blind
John " -son -unmarr -39-ag lab-Milford, "
Rebecca" -dau - " -31- Milton "
Ellen " -g-dau- " - 6-scholar "

Note: Milton is adjacent to Hordle

!Researcher notes-
The age given in both censuses corresponds with information located in the IGI and also the location of two children, Rebecca and John helped to confirm the assumption that Peter did in fact originate in Hordle. Secondly, Sarah is given as the wife of Peter in the 1841 Census.

!Marriage source: Dorset Marriage Index Foxbar Woodlands Wimborne BH216LJ
Peter X Stay of Lower Lytchett = Sarah Mussen of Longfleet
27 Oct 1803 at Canford Magna
Wit: Joseph Pearce and Matthew Young

!This marriage is confirmed to be our Peter because of the two oldest daughters born at this location, Ann born 21 Oct 1804 at Lytchett Minster, and Elisea born 25 Dec. 1806. The family records have never listed the birth location of these two children.

!Note: Marriage of Peter Stay & Sarah Mussen:
This is a significant finding for two reasons first it places Peter about 12-15 miles north north east of the primary study area in Lower Lytchett which is located in Dorset, Canford Magna, where the marriage was registerd, it is just a mile or so north of Lytchett.
The second significant finding is the recording of Sarah's name to be "Mussen" not Muston as recorded in the family records. We have looked for Sarah Muston for a considerable time to no avail.

The marriage of Peter's parents was determined. i.e.
Richard Stay and Ann Aldridge married 24 Oct. 1774 at Hordle
source - Marriages of Hampshire England 1560 - 1837 942.27 V26 ma


John " -son -unmarr -39-ag lab-Milford, "
Rebecca" -dau - " -31- Milton "
Ellen " -g-dau- " - 6-scholar "

Note: Milton is adjacent to Hordle

!Researcher notes-
The age given in both censuses corresponds with information located in the IGI and also the location of two children, Rebecca and John helped to confirm the assumption that Peter did in fact originate in Hordle. Secondly, Sarah is given as the wife of Peter in the 1841 Census.

!Marriage source: Dorset Marriage Index Foxbar Woodlands Wimborne BH216LJ
Peter X Stay of Lower Lytchett = Sarah Mussen of Longfleet
27 Oct 1803 at Canford Magna
Wit: Joseph Pearce and Matthew Young

!This marriage is confirmed to be our Peter because of the two oldest daughters born at this location, Ann born 21 Oct 1804 at Lytchett Minster, and Elisea born 25 Dec. 1806. The family records have never listed the birth location of these two children.

!Note: Marriage of Peter Stay & Sarah Mussen:
This is a significant finding for two reasons first it places Peter about 12-15 miles north north east of the primary study area in Lower Lytchett which is located in Dorset, Canford Magna, where the marriage was registerd, it is just a mile or so north of Lytchett.
The second significant finding is the recording of Sarah's name to be "Mussen" not Muston as recorded in the family records. We have looked for Sarah Muston for a considerable time to no avail.

The marriage of Peter's parents was determined. i.e.
Richard Stay and Ann Aldridge married 24 Oct. 1774 at Hordle
source - Marriages of Hampshire England 1560 - 1837 942.27 V26 ma

7/16/2002 file Peter Stay’s Place of Birth
Peter Stay’s Place of Birth
An early description of the Parish of Hordle indicates that the parish did not actually have a village, but consisted of groupings of scattered farms and houses. However, if a very old Norman church existed and there was a grouping of cottages around that church, then one would likely label the location as Hordwell or Hordle after the name of the church. Secondly, if the salt pans and other early buildings have been overtaken by the sea due to erosion, then a village could well have existed in the immediate area in olden times. Peter Stay’s possible place of birth
The records showing Peter’s (Petter) christening, and then those showing the birth places of his children that were born indicate, Hordle, Ashley, Barton and Milford as explicit locations.Also the 1848 census indicates Hordle as his place of birth.From old maps, in the Hordle parish there were a number of small units (clusters of cottages) in the area immediately surrounding the old Hordwell church, (Taddyford, Rockcliff, Ashley Hill, Oakland, Barton, Royal Oak, Aubrey Ho.and Beckton Farm), all are within a radius of one mile from the so-called village of Hordwell.The first Ordinance Survey map of the area was made in 1799/1800. The map is very precise and shows the location of the old Parish Church surrounded by seven buildings (Perhaps squatters cottages).This appears to be the present Manor farm and adjacent to where the current boys school (i.e. Hordle House) exists.Just to the East along the lane is what is known as the Taddyford area that on an earlier map (1825/26) shows six cottages or residences.The later map about 1867, does not show any residences in this immediate area except for the Hordle Manor Farm and Hordle House and it also shows the “Taddiford” farm complex just to the East of the Hordle House and Manor Farm.
Our contact Mrs. West also found a Rentral list for the Manor of Hordle.She sent me a copy of the list dated 1702 which included a Richard Smythe a freeholder as holding land and paying rents to the Manor.
This is supposition however, because the Hordle Parish included a number of small cottages dispersed throughout the parish in both tithings, the Arnewood Tithing and the Hordle Tithing. The close proximity to Milford is the key, Peters birth is recorded in the Milford Parish records which is in very close proximity to the old Hordle church.Less than one mile! (Peter Stay bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea, son of Richard Stay of Hordle. See film GS #1595858) From the birth records of Peter’s children, it is clear that the family attend both chapels, the old Hordle chapel and the Milford chapel.
I would think, therefore, after this rather lengthy discourse that we may well assume that Peter originated from the immediate area in the vicinity the Old Hordle church.

2002 Movements by Peter file
Movements by Peter during his life.
Peter moved about during his life, why?What took him to Lower Lytchett before his marriage?What took him back to the Hordle/Milford area.He then relocated to Christchurch, then back to Hordle, and finally to Milton.
It appears that Peter was an itinerant laborer who moved about, as work was available or the land held by the Lord of the Manor where he moved to work the land as dictated.
Peter Stay was born in Hordle 1779, Christened in Milford. (see Peter’s Place of Birth document)
He married Sarah Mussen, Sarah lived in Longfleet, Dorset while he lived in Lower Lytchett, Dorset that was just above Pool. These two villages are about two or three miles apart.
Sarah Mussen, Peters wife, was born or christened in Canford Magna, Dorset in 1783.
Peter and Sarah were married at Canford Magna, Dorset, in 1803.Sarah lived in Longfleet, at the time of their marriage.
His first two children (Ann and Elisa) were born in Lytchett Minster, or near Lower Lytchett.
Ann in 1804 and Elisa in 1806.
His third and fourth children, Mary and John were listed as born in Hordle, Mary in 1809 and John in 1811.
The fifth Child Charles was christened in Milford in 1813.
The sixth child William was listed as born in Ashley about 1816.
The seventh Child Joseph was also listed as born in Ashley in 1822.
The eighth child Rebecca was born in Barton in 1824
The villages Hordle, Milford, Ashley, Barton and Milton are all within a three mile radius or less, Ashley, and Barton are within the Milton Parish.
It is important to note the above period of about ten years.
Upon returning from Christchurch, their residence (place of settlement”) was in the Milton Parish.Based upon the Act called the Law of Settlement, which made every pauper chargeable upon removable to his becca were baptized into the Independent Church. (The Congregation of Protestant Dissenters)
It appears that Ann and Elisa were married in Christchurch
·Peter was on the Poor roles in Christchurch in 1831.(About 52 years of age)Two entries from the Overseers of the Poor Law dated May 21 and May 28th with a notation “under “Casual payments and not long term support” i.e. not permanent persons needing aid from the church, shows that Peter and Sarah lived for a period in Christchurch near their children.
Perhaps we can assume that if Peter and Sarah were on the Poor roles, that Peter might have been unable to work because of illness or his blindness, thus he may have followed his children to Christchurch who provided for his care.
Peter and Sarah lived in Hordle (1841 Census) and lived with John and Rebecca along with Rebecca’s child Ellen.
The family moved to Milton during this period. We should look for an order of Removal by the Overseers of Hordle to have Peter and his family removed from the Hordle Parish to his “Place of Settlement” or they could have voluntarily moved back to their Place of Settlement, which may give an account for his ending up on the poor roles of the Milton Parish. It would seem that this was based upon his last permanent residence in Ashley and Barton for at least ten years.See Harry’s notation from the Poor Law Minute Books of the Poor Law Lymington Union under outdoor relief)
Based upon Harry’s research, the Parish of Milton had accommodations and utilized cottages for carrying for the very poor and infirmed. (see notations in the Peter Stay History)
Sarah died in Milton in 1850
Peter resided in Milton (1851 Census) listed as Widower age 72 – Pauper – blind.
Peter died Milton 1859 age 81 years.
Why did Peter live in Dorset at time of marriage?Is there some connection between Hordle and Lytchett?In the Catholic Record Society records there is a reference to this issue.Perhaps we may assume that Peter may have been Catholic in his youth or had sympathies with those of the Catholic faith.We have located Muston’s and Mussons on the Catholic recusant rolls in Canford Magna.Perhaps Sarah came from a Catholic family.
No.111 The Registers of Canford and Stapehill, Dorsetshire 1772-1856
P. 122 “Canford and Stapehill are not in Hampshire and belong to the present diocese of Plymouth, but as will be seen by the Introduction to Sopley, they are closely connected with the latter mission.”We find a number of families that had holdings in both areas.This could account for Peter’s move from Hordle to Lytchett because of his employment with one of these families.tlements of poor and disabled individuals and their families.

1841 Census Hordle, Hampshire Eng GS #288797 Milford, Hordle, Lymington Hamps.
Peter Stay -62-ag lab-yes
Sarah " -58- -yes

1851 Census Milton, Hampshire Eng
Peter Stay -head-widower-72-pauper-Hordle, Hamps. blind
John " -son -unmarr - 39-ag lab -Milford, "
Rebecca" -dau - " -31- Milton "
Ellen " -g-dau- " - 6-scholar "

Note: Milton is adjacent to Hordle

!Marriage source: Dorset Marriage Index Foxbar Woodlands Wimborne BH216LJ
Peter X Stay of Lower Lytchett = Sarah Mussen of Longfleet
27 Oct 1803 at Canford Magna
Wit: Joseph Pearce and Matthew Young

!This marriage is confirmed to be our Peter because of the two oldest daughters born at this location, Ann born 21 Oct 1804 at Lytchett Minster, and Elisea born 25 Dec. 1806. The family records have never listed the birth location of these two children.

!Note: Marriage of Peter Stay & Sarah Mussen:
This is a significant finding for two reasons first it places Peter about 12-15 miles north north east of the primary study area in Lower Lytchett which is located in Dorset, Canford Magna, where the marriage was registerd, it is just a mile or so north of Lytchett.
The second significant finding is the recording of Sarah's name to be "Mussen" not Muston as recorded in the family records. We have looked for Sarah Muston for a considerable time to no avail.

The marriage of Peter's parents was determined. i.e.
Richard Stay and Ann Aldridge married 24 Oct. 1774 at Hordle
source - Marriages of Hampshire England 1560 - 1837 942.27 V26 ma

7/16/2002 file Peter Stay’s Place of Birth (Gary Stay's Notes)

An early description of the Parish of Hordle indicates that the parish did not actually have a village, but consisted of groupings of scattered farms and houses. However, if a very old Norman church existed and there was a grouping of cottages around that church, then one would likely label the location as Hordwell or Hordle after the name of the church. Secondly, if the salt pans and other early buildings have been overtaken by the sea due to erosion, then a village could well have existed in the immediate area in olden times. Peter Stay’s possible place of birth.

The records showing Peter’s (Petter) christening, and then those showing the birth places of his children that were born indicate, Hordle, Ashley, Barton and Milford as explicit locations. Also the 1848 census indicates Hordle as his place of birth.From old maps, in the Hordle parish there were a number of small units (clusters of cottages) in the area immediately surrounding the old Hordwell church, (Taddyford, Rockcliff, Ashley Hill, Oakland, Barton, Royal Oak, Aubrey Ho.and Beckton Farm), all are within a radius of one mile from the so-called village of Hordwell.The first Ordinance Survey map of the area was made in 1799/1800. The map is very precise and shows the location of the old Parish Church surrounded by seven buildings (Perhaps squatters cottages).This appears to be the present Manor farm and adjacent to where the current boys school (i.e. Hordle House) exists.Just to the East along the lane is what is known as the Taddyford area that on an earlier map (1825/26) shows six cottages or residences.The later map about 1867, does not show any residences in this immediate area except for the Hordle Manor Farm and Hordle House and it also shows the “Taddiford” farm complex just to the East of the Hordle House and Manor Farm. Laura and I visited the area and only the Hordle Manor Farm and the boys school exist today adjacent to the old church and grave yard. Some old roads were noted in the farm land, where the former small structures existed on the early maps.

Our contact Mrs. West also found a Rentral list for the Manor of Hordle.She sent me a copy of the list dated 1702 which included a Richard Smythe a freeholder as holding land and paying rents to the Manor. The 1702 Vaggs Lane Lease is between a Richard Smythe and Richard Stay.

This is supposition however, because the Hordle Parish included a number of small cottages dispersed throughout the parish in both tithings, the Arnewood Tithing and the Hordle Tithing. The close proximity to Milford is the key, Peters birth is recorded in the Milford Parish records which is in very close proximity to the old Hordle church.Less than one mile! (Peter Stay bapt. 2 May 1779 Milford-on-Sea, son of Richard Stay of Hordle. See film GS #1595858) From the birth records of Peter’s children, it is clear that the family attend both chapels, the old Hordle chapel and the Milford chapel.
I would think, therefore, after this rather lengthy discourse that we may well assume that Peter originated from the immediate area in the vicinity the Old Hordle church.

2002 Movements by Peter file
Movements by Peter during his life.
Peter moved about during his life, why?What took him to Lower Lytchett before his marriage?What took him back to the Hordle/Milford area.He then relocated to Christchurch, then back to Hordle, and finally to Milton.
It appears that Peter was an itinerant laborer who moved about, as work was available or the land held by the Lord of the Manor where he moved to work the land as dictated.
Peter Stay was born in Hordle 1779, Christened in Milford. (see Peter’s Place of Birth document)
He married Sarah Mussen, Sarah lived in Longfleet, Dorset while he lived in Lower Lytchett, Dorset that was just above Pool. These two villages are about two or three miles apart.
Sarah Mussen, Peters wife, was born or christened in Canford Magna, Dorset in 1783.
Peter and Sarah were married at Canford Magna, Dorset, in 1803.Sarah lived in Longfleet, at the time of their marriage.
His first two children (Ann and Elisa) were born in Lytchett Minster, or near Lower Lytchett.
Ann in 1804 and Elisa in 1806.
His third and fourth children, Mary and John were listed as born in Hordle, Mary in 1809 and John in 1811.
The fifth Child Charles was christened in Milford in 1813.
The sixth child William was listed as born in Ashley about 1816.
The seventh Child Joseph was also listed as born in Ashley in 1822.
The eighth child Rebecca was born in Barton in 1824
The villages Hordle, Milford, Ashley, Barton and Milton are all within a three mile radius or less, Ashley, and Barton are within the Milton Parish.
It is important to note the above period of about ten years.
Upon returning from Christchurch, their residence (place of settlement”) was in the Milton Parish.Based upon the Act called the Law of Settlement, which made every pauper chargeable upon removable to his becca were baptized into the Independent Church. (The Congregation of Protestant Dissenters)
It appears that Ann and Elisa were married in Christchurch
·Peter was on the Poor roles in Christchurch in 1831.(About 52 years of age)Two entries from the Overseers of the Poor Law dated May 21 and May 28th with a notation “under “Casual payments and not long term support” i.e. not permanent persons needing aid from the church, shows that Peter and Sarah lived for a period in Christchurch near their children.
Perhaps we can assume that if Peter and Sarah were on the Poor roles, that Peter might have been unable to work because of illness or his blindness, thus he may have followed his children to Christchurch who provided for his care.
Peter and Sarah lived in Hordle (1841 Census) and lived with John and Rebecca along with Rebecca’s child Ellen.
The family moved to Milton during this period. We should look for an order of Removal by the Overseers of Hordle to have Peter and his family removed from the Hordle Parish to his “Place of Settlement” or they could have voluntarily moved back to their Place of Settlement, which may give an account for his ending up on the poor roles of the Milton Parish. It would seem that this was based upon his last permanent residence in Ashley and Barton for at least ten years.See Harry’s notation from the Poor Law Minute Books of the Poor Law Lymington Union under outdoor relief)
Based upon Harry’s research, the Parish of Milton had accommodations and utilized cottages for carrying for the very poor and infirmed. (see notations in the Peter Stay History)
Sarah died in Milton in 1850
Peter resided in Milton (1851 Census) listed as Widower age 72 – Pauper – blind.
Peter died Milton 1859 age 81 years.
Why did Peter live in Dorset at time of marriage?Is there some connection between Hordle and Lytchett?In the Catholic Record Society records there is a reference to this issue.Perhaps we may assume that Peter may have been Catholic in his youth or had sympathies with those of the Catholic faith.We have located Muston’s and Mussons on the Catholic recusant rolls in Canford Magna.Perhaps Sarah came from a Catholic family.
No.111 The Registers of Canford and Stapehill, Dorsetshire 1772-1856
P. 122 “Canford and Stapehill are not in Hampshire and belong to the present diocese of Plymouth, but as will be seen by the Introduction to Sopley, they are closely connected with the latter mission.”We find a number of families that had holdings in both areas.This could account for Peter’s move from Hordle to Lytchett because of his employment with one of these families.tlements of poor and disabled individuals and their families. 
Peter (also Petter) STAY
 
121 !Baptism - Recorded Salt Lake City 1st Ward by George Lamb see GS #6502 Pt 23 Record of Members 1st Ward Salt Lake pp 26,27,43 Death Date - Utah State Vital Statistics and records of Richard L. Warburton Endowment House Record 25165 pg 251 #5865 line 15 for 13 Apr 1882, listed as Rebecca Stagg born 9 Mar 1862 at St. Louis Missouri Parents: Joseph Stagg and Sarah Pierce

Baptism 17 Sep 1870
St. Louis Branch Children's Blessings pg 35 #59
Rebecka Stay, Female, born 9 Mar. 1862, St. Louis, Missouri Parents: Joseph and Sarah, blessed 1 June 1862 by W. Lambourne, Sr. 
Rebecca STAY
 
122 !Married to William Adams from Salt Lake Temple records No. 22013, book 5V Page 960.

!Also marriage recorded in Lymington District Hordle Parish Register 13 April 1857 Marriage of Rebecca Stay, Dressmaker, Age 38, to William Adams, Gunsmith age 39.

!Baptized Jan 12, 1845 Ellen Daughter of Rebecca Stay a single women of Barton.

Rebecca cared for her father Peter until he died then married William Adams. Daughter Ellen born prior to marriage.


Batch #: 8607930, Sheet #: 34, Source Call #: 1396178 She was rebaptized into the Independent Chruch at Christchurch on Dec. 22nd 1828. Her birth date is noted on the record as Jul. 21, 1819


!Baptized Jan 12, 1845 Ellen Daughter of Rebecca Stay a single women of Barton.

!Batch #: 8607930, Sheet #: 34, Source Call #: 1396178

Birth from 1841 census living with father Peter

1881 Census
Dwelling: Milton
Census Place: Milton, Hampshire, England
Source: FHL Film 1341291 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1191 Folio 99 Page 27
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Rebecca ADAMS W 61 F Milton, Hampshire, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Head Of Whitesmith Shop
Ellen STAY U 36 F Milton, Hampshire, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Formerly Dom Serv
John ADAMS U 23 M Milton, Hampshire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Whitesmith
Alfred ADAMS U 20 M Milton, Hampshire, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Whitesmith 
Rebecca STAY
 
123
!Richard Stay (2) likely the father of Richard Stay (3) married twice, first to Hannah Hampton then to Mary Dean - Richard Stay (3) the father of Peter Stay, was married to Ann Algredge.

!Source of information from parish records of Hordle and Milford

Batch #: 7116606, Sheet #: 97, Source Call #: 1235287

!Note we have record of five Richard Stays. We have labled each with a (1), (2), (3), (4) and Richard Stay the Elder

Marriage: Extracts from the Church Registers of the Parish of Milford, Hampshire, (by corespondance)

Marriage: 1746 Richard Stay and Hannah Hampton both of Hordle parish - May 5

It is important to note that a Thomas Hampton took over the lease of the Vaggs Lane orchard. This would lead us to tie Richard Stay (Stoy) of Vaggs Lane to the Hordle Richard Stay

Also a later document gave the name of the owner as Richard Stay, not Richard Stoy. So we must assume that the family went by Stoy and Stay or that there was an "a" that looked like an "o". This gives the positive family tie to the spelling of STOY 
Richard STAY, (2)
 
124 !Parentage of Peter Stay:

!It has now been determined that Richard Stay and Ann Aldredge are the parents of Peter Stay.

!Source: Hordle parish records and Milford parish records.

Marriage: 1774 Richard Stay of Hordle and Ann Aldredge of Milford by me Bolton Simpson Oct 24
from Milford Parish Records

Death - Richard Stay age 80 buried 4 July 1828 At the Workhouse (Hordle Records)

We record this Richard as (3)

Richard is listed as being married A SECOND TIME as follows:

Dec 02 1821 Richard Stay and Elizabeth Mosdash married at Milford. In the register the following notation: Both of Milford, Richard widower, Elizabeth Spinster in the presence of Peter Stay and Susan Stay. (it is possible that this Susan is Sarah either Peters sister of his wife Sarah Mussen) No other Susan Stays listed during this period.

NOTE THIS ENTRY IS MOST SIGNIFICANT WHICH TIES RICHARD AS PETER'S FATHER OR HE WOULD NOT BE PRESENT AT HIS WIDOWER FATHER'S SECOND MARRIAGE.

Ann Aldridge Stay's death was listed as 20 July 1820 at Downton Common age 72.

Second marriage of Richard (3): 2 Dec 1821It appears that Richard (3) was married again in his old age, from the Milford Parish Records: Richard Stay widower & Elizabeth Mosdash Spinster both of Milford, in the presence of Peter Stay and Susan Stay. This witness listing ties Peter to Richard. Susan is likely Sarah, Peter's older sister. 
Richard STAY, (3)
 
125 !Richard Stay is a son to Richard Stay (Sr.?)
Richard Stay could be son of Richard Stay of Hordle who was married to Ann Aldredge of Milford 24 Oct 1774 at Milford Parish

!We also note an entry "Richard Stay widdower married to Elizabeth Mosdash of Milford Dec 2, 1821".

!There are two Richard Stays in Hordle about the birth date of Peter Stay.

!The first married to Ann Aldredge of Milford on 24 Oct. 1774, most likely the father of Peter Stay

!The second married to Mary Dean his second marriage and the grandfather .
of Peter

!The research notes read as follows:

!Initially, we had thought that Peter Stay was the son of Richard Stay and Mary Dean. Peter Stay was baptized 2 May 1779. It had been assumed that Mary was at least seven months pregnant at the time of her marriage.
A more reasonable "family arrangment" is now proposed. Peter Stay's father was indeed Richard but his mother was Ann Aldredge instead.

!Richard Stay married Ann Aldredge at Milford as follows:
Richard Stay of Hordle and Ann Aldredge of Milford married 24 Oct. 1774

!Both Richard and Ann were buried in Hordle the place of Peter's baptism as follows:
Richard Stay age 80 buried 4 July 1828
Ann Stay age 72 buried 20 July 1820

!Peter Stay's baptism did not record the name of his mother and therefore the confusion with Mary Dean.

!The baptism of Richard Stay whose calculated birth from his burial should been about 1784. Unfortunately, the Hordle church records were not extracted as yet. It is most likely, that Richard Stay will be the son of Richard Stay and Hannah Hampton married 5 may 1746 at Hordle. It is this Richard Stay SR. whose wife Hannah was buried at Hordle 13 Dec 1778 remarried as a widower to Mary Dean 26 June 1779 seven months fater his first wife's burial.

!Lastly, Richard Stay SR. may be the son of yet another Richard Stay located in the burial registers of Milford.

Marriage: Milford Parish Records 1806 Richard Stay and Phoebe Parsons both of Milford Oct. 12

CHRISTENING: 1781 Richard, son of Richard Stay of Hordle May 27 Milford pairsh records. 
Richard STAY, (4)
 
126 Marriage: We find Richard Stay on the Lease for an orchard, cottage and garden on Vaggs Lane with is in the Arnewood Tithing of the Hordle Parish The Lease indicates that he was to be married to Elizabeth Holley

Marriage: We also find a description of the property dated 1778 where Elizabeth became co owner of the orchard along with Thomas Hampton who we assume to be the brother of Hanna Hampton who was married to Richard Stay son of this Richard Stay.

BIRTH: We assume that this Richard Stay was born about 20 years prior to 1702 or about 1682.

BIOGRAPHY: We find this Richard Stay to be the son of Richard Stay the Elder of Arnewood, as noted on the Lease for the orchard between Richard Stay and Sir Robert Smyth in 1702.


Draft 7/16/2002 (File: brockstoys.html)
The Stoys from Brockenhurst(1641-1688)
I visited the House of Lords in London on June 27th 2002 and spent the day looking up our Stay (Stoy) Popish Recusants.We have a list provided by Betty Peters who is a friend of Joan Stay (Harry’s Wife).It was my intention to determine under what circumstances they were on the list.With help of the staff I only located one reference, i.e. Dec 3, 1680, Katherine, Wife of John Stoy of Brockenhurst.The four others on the list were not located.However, the reference was a clear listing of true Popish Recusants.Thus Katherine was in fact a Catholic and included on a large listing of Catholic families and individuals.I have communicated with Betty Peters to determine where the other names came from.We should note that the other Stoys have been located in the Brockenhurst parish registers in the same format provided by Betty Peters.
From the House of Lords listing a number of Catholic peasants and land-owners were involved from the Hampshire/Dorset area.
Richard Stoy of Brockenhurst
In the Hampshire Record Series Volume V “A Calendar of New Forest Documents” The fifteenth to Seventeenth Centuries, a Richard Stoy has been located.He is referenced in the Calendar of New Forest dated 14 September being fifteen days before Michaelmas, in the year 1659 and other dates as follows: (note Michaelmas was new years day on the old calendar)
This is known as the Roll of Swainmote Court
Before the foresters, verderers, regarders, agisters, and all other ministers of the forest, just as is written below:
Names of the villages and the reeve and four men of each vill. (Vill. Is short for village).
A “reeve” is defined as “any various minor officers of parishes or other local authorities.”
Vill. of Brockenhurst and Brookley.William Smith reeve.John Merrifield, William Farver, Richard Stoy, John Smith, sworn and have appeared.
Another date. Vill of Brockenhurst and Brookley.William Ames reeve, William Farver, Richard Stoy, Edward Rowland, and John Pilliean are sworn.
Then we find “Richard Stoy Yoeman, recently of Brockenhurst, on the 17th August 1663 at Setley had placed and permitted his ten sheep to wander and depasture in and upon the herbage growing in the forest, depasturing and laying waste to the surcharge of the forest.(6s 8d).”
A “Yoeman” note spelling for yeoman,(dictionary definition) “an independent farmer especially, a member of a former class of small freeholding farmers in England.”
Setley is about ¾ mile south of Brockenhurst. While visiting Brockenhurst we looked for the village of Setley.Today, it consists of only a few houses, but is listed on current Ordinance Survey Maps.
November 9th 1666 at Lyndhurst, before the foresters, verderers, regarders, agisters, and all other ministers of the forest as here appear underwritten.The list appears of each position then for each village.
Vill. (Village) of Brockenhurst and Brookley.William Smith, Richard Stoy, John Hall, John Moore, and Thomas Ames.Note: Today, Brookley is a road running through Brockenhurst and the village no longer is there.
He is again listed under names of Villages and the reeve and four men of each village:
Vill. Of Brockenhurst, Thomas Goodall reeve.Richard Knapton, William Furner, Richard Stoy, and John Forde.
The last entry “Richard Slye, 17th August 1663, for keeping ten sheep to the surcharging and nuisance of the forest.Fined 6s 8d (paid Reinild)” (Slye = Stoy) This is the same reference as above but the name is spelled differently.
In checking the parish registers of Brockenhurst, there are several entries under the name Richard Stoy.It would appear that the spelling Stoy and Stay is very much the same in old English script.We must assume that our 1679/80 recusant Richard Stoy is the Richard Stoy listed in the1659, 1660, 1663 and 1666 Swainmote court records.He is listed two ways, first as one of four men of Brockenhurst who appeared and were sworn in as a forest administrator of some kind.He is also listed as being fined for allowing ten sheep to graze upon the forest landalong with a number of others individuals at that time.The location of the first occurance was at Setley.Setley is just south of Brochenhurst about ¾ of a mile.Setley is about 2 miles north from Vaggs Lane near Boldre.
The records show that Richard Stoy was a “husbandman” as well as listed as a “Yoeman”. had ten sheep while living in the Brockenhurst parish.This would further support the premise that this Richard Stoy is more than likely the “Ri. Stoy elder deceased” father of Richard Stoy listed in the 1702 Vaggs Lane lease.
In the list of Freeholders of the New Forest list under Brockenhurst, we were not able to locate Richard Stoy, and he is not listed as a Freeholder on that source.
Memo about Recusant Stoys in Brockenhurst
RECUSANT - a person (especially a Roman Catholic) who refuses to attend the Church of England when it was legally compulsory
“August 1999 (Note from Harry Stay)
Phone call from Petty Peters saying she had found ASTAYS@ amongst lists of recusants living in Brockenhurst in the 1680s.Visited her with Joan and made a note of these names and the dates of burials (or deaths).There was no mention of marriages or births in the information (as follows).
Dec 3, 1680 Katherine, wife of John Stoy of Brockenhurst (marriage not recorded in Brockenhurst registers)
(From the House of Lords lists of Popish Recusants) this is the reference I found in a large list of Popish Recusants.
1679/1680 Katherine, wife of Richard Stoy
1682/83 John Stoy (difficulties with the calendar change made problems!)
I did not find these last four references in the House of Lords lists.Betty Peters is going to let us know the source and if they spelled their name as Stoy on those records.
“Visited Hampshire record office 2/9/99 to check Brockenhurst Parish records re Stoys living there in those days(note from Harry):
1641 Richard Stoy married Catherine Butler August 4th
1641 William Stoy was married to Margaret Hawkins, May 9th
1645 William Stoy was buried April 4th
1645 William son ofWilliam Stoy buried May 13
1670 Mary, daughter of John Stoy was buried
1672 Catherine daughter of John Stoy was buried
1674 Death of Jane Stoy d of John Stoy Sept 27
1679 Katherine, wife of Richard Stoy was buried Jan 5th*
1682 John Stoy buriedJan.
1683 Catherine Daughter of John Stoy buried
1688 Elizabeth wife of Richard Stoy buried
The above list was confirmed by reviewing Brockenhurst parish register Fisch # 6343382 SLC Gen. Library.
From the parish register it is noted that the Stoys were active in Brockenhurst from 1641 through 1688.A number of pages were missing, torn or illegible, which would increase the number of family members.At least half the register was not available for review.It is interesting to note that we did not find reference to the Stoys before 1641 or after 1688.It appears that Richard was married twice first to Catherine Butler and then to Elizabeth.Also of this listed group of husbands, it appears that only Richard survived.We must assume that Richard from the parish registers is Richard the elder deceased of the Vaggs lease.
I couldn’ find any more Stoys as I carried on looking up to 1865.There was some inter-marrying between the villages of Brockenhurst and Hordle but not involving Stays - they are about 5 miles apart.”
Note from Harry Stay 2/4/2000
I went up to the County record office again last month to see if I could advance the Brockenhurst Stay project, but information was hard to come by and many records unreadable, however I did find the Baptism of Catherine, daughter of John Stay in Boldre on 19 May 1672 (John Stay of Brockenhurst).Presumably, she is the same Catherine as is listed in the original information September 1683 Catherine, daughter of John Stay@ i.e. she was 11 years old when she died.
The name Stay occurs occasionally in the records but I don=t think it is more than a misreading of poor writing!E.g. I found a Thomas Stay living in Fawley in 1665.
I thought you might appreciate the main subject of the Family History Magazine - Virtually anyone who failed to attend the Church of England was a recusant@. (Harry’s note)
Boldre is halfway between Brockenhurst and Lymington.
Fawley is on the West side of Southampton waters.
The notation from Betty Peters that one – John Stoy was listed in 1682/1683 as having “difficulties with the calendar change made problems”.
In reference to the calendar change we note the following reference from Will Durants “A history of Civilization Volume 9” p 540.“During Bradley’s tenure as astronomer royal, Britain submitted to a painful operation after 170 years of resistance it accepted the Gregorian calendar, but obstinately named it the Reformed calendar.An act of Parliament (1750) ordered that the eleven days following the second of September 1752 were to be omitted from the “New Style”; that begin not on March 25 but on January 1.This involved complications in business dealings and ecclesiastical holydays: it stirred many protests, and angry Britons demanded, “Give us back our eleven days” - - but in the end science triumphed over bookkeeping and theology.”From this account, arguments over the calendar must have been a major issue during the 1680s some70 years prior to the act of Parliament.
“The English Calendar.The English do not use the new Gregorian Calendar, because their secession from the Apostolic See took place before the reform of the Calendar, and those who brought about the schism would disdain to accept even good things coming from the Sovereign Pontiff.They begin their new year on the 25th of March and the first day of each month is ten days later than the first day of the month in the new Calendar.Hence 11th April at Rome and the 1st April in England coincide.Only the historians, at Camden bears witness, Begin the year with the first of January, and we shall do the same.In other respects we shall follow the ancient Calendar when we describe events which occurred in England - - and these will take us all our time.”English Persecutions of Catholics -Vol 47 Catholic History Society page 172
It is important to note that the name of Stoy had a spelling change to Stay sometime before 1778.This is a significant finding to tie the Brockenhurst Stoys to the Hordle Stays.See Vaggs Lane Lease document for details.

BIOGRAPHY: We find this Richard Stay to be the son of Richard Stay the Elder of Arnewood, as noted on the Lease for the orchard between Richard Stay and Sir Robert Smyth in 1702.

Draft 7/16/2002 (File: brockstoys.html)
The Stoys from Brockenhurst(1641-1688)
I visited the House of Lords in London on June 27th 2002 and spent the day looking up our Stay (Stoy) Popish Recusants.We have a list provided by Betty Peters who is a friend of Joan Stay (Harry’s Wife).It was my intention to determine under what circumstances they were on the list.With help of the staff I only located one reference, i.e. Dec 3, 1680, Katherine, Wife of John Stoy of Brockenhurst.The four others on the list were not located.However, the reference was a clear listing of true Popish Recusants.Thus Katherine was in fact a Catholic and included on a large listing of Catholic families and individuals.I have communicated with Betty Peters to determine where the other names came from.We should note that the other Stoys have been located in the Brockenhurst parish registers in the same format provided by Betty Peters.
From the House of Lords listing a number of Catholic peasants and land-owners were involved from the Hampshire/Dorset area.
Richard Stoy of Brockenhurst
In the Hampshire Record Series Volume V “A Calendar of New Forest Documents” The fifteenth to Seventeenth Centuries, a Richard Stoy has been located.He is referenced in the Calendar of New Forest dated 14 September being fifteen days before Michaelmas, in the year 1659 and other dates as follows: (note Michaelmas was new years day on the old calendar)
This is known as the Roll of Swainmote Court
Before the foresters, verderers, regarders, agisters, and all other ministers of the forest, just as is written below:
Names of the villages and the reeve and four men of each vill. (Vill. Is short for village).
A “reeve” is defined as “any various minor officers of parishes or other local authorities.”
Vill. of Brockenhurst and Brookley.William Smith reeve.John Merrifield, William Farver, Richard Stoy, John Smith, sworn and have appeared.
Another date. Vill of Brockenhurst and Brookley.William Ames reeve, William Farver, Richard Stoy, Edward Rowland, and John Pilliean are sworn.
Then we find “Richard Stoy Yoeman, recently of Brockenhurst, on the 17th August 1663 at Setley had placed and permitted his ten sheep to wander and depasture in and upon the herbage growing in the forest, depasturing and laying waste to the surcharge of the forest.(6s 8d).”
A “Yoeman” note spelling for yeoman,(dictionary definition) “an independent farmer especially, a member of a former class of small freeholding farmers in England.”
Setley is about ¾ mile south of Brockenhurst. While visiting Brockenhurst we looked for the village of Setley.Today, it consists of only a few houses, but is listed on current Ordinance Survey Maps.
November 9th 1666 at Lyndhurst, before the foresters, verderers, regarders, agisters, and all other ministers of the forest as here appear underwritten.The list appears of each position then for each village.
Vill. (Village) of Brockenhurst and Brookley.William Smith, Richard Stoy, John Hall, John Moore, and Thomas Ames.Note: Today, Brookley is a road running through Brockenhurst and the village no longer is there.
He is again listed under names of Villages and the reeve and four men of each village:
Vill. Of Brockenhurst, Thomas Goodall reeve.Richard Knapton, William Furner, Richard Stoy, and John Forde.
The last entry registers of Brockenhurst, there are several entries under the name Richard Stoy.It would appear that the spelling Stoy and Stay is very much the same in old English script.We must assume that our 1679/80 recusant Richard Stoy is the Richard Stoy listed in the1659, 1660, 1663 and 1666 Swainmote court records.He is listed two ways, first as one of four men of Brockenhurst who appeared and were sworn in as a forest administrator of some kind.He is also listed as being fined for allowing ten sheep to graze upon the forest landalong with a number of others individuals at that time.The location of the first occurance was at Setley.Setley is just south of Brochenhurst about ¾ of a mile.Setley is about 2 miles north from Vaggs Lane near Boldre.
The records show that Richard Stoy was a “husbandman” as well as listed as a “Yoeman”. had ten sheep while living in the Brockenhurst parish.This would further support the premise that this Richard Stoy is more than likely the “Ri. Stoy elder deceased” father of Richard Stoy listed in the 1702 Vaggs Lane lease.
In the list of Freeholders of the New Forest list under Brockenhurst, we were not able to locate Richard Stoy, and he is not listed as a Freeholder on that source.
Memo about Recusant Stoys in Brockenhurst
RECUSANT - a person (especially a Roman Catholic) who refuses to attend the Church of England when it was legally compulsory
“August 1999 (Note from Harry Stay)
Phone call from Petty Peters saying she had found ASTAYS@ amongst lists of recusants living in Brockenhurst in the 1680s.Visited her with Joan and made a note of these names and the dates of burials (or deaths).There was no mention of marriages or births in the information (as follows).
Dec 3, 1680 Katherine, wife of John Stoy of Brockenhurst (marriage not recorded in Brockenhurst registers)
(From the House of Lords lists of Popish Recusants) this is the reference I found in a large list of Popish Recusants.
1679/1680 Katherine, wife of Richard Stoy
1682/83 John Stoy (difficulties with the calendar change made problems!)
I did not find these last four references in the House of Lords lists.Betty Peters is going to let us know the source and if they spelled their name as Stoy on those records.
“Visited Hampshire record office 2/9/99 to check Brockenhurst Parish records re Stoys living there in those days(note from Harry):
1641 Richard Stoy married Catherine Butler August 4th
1641 William Stoy was married to Margaret Hawkins, May 9th
1645 William Stoy was buried April 4th
1645 William son ofWilliam Stoy buried May 13
1670 Mary, daughter of John Stoy was buried
1672 Catherine daughter of John Stoy was buried
1674 Death of Jane Stoy d of John Stoy Sept 27
1679 Katherine, wife of Richard Stoy was buried Jan 5th*
1682 John Stoy buriedJan.
1683 Catherine Daughter of John Stoy buried
1688 Elizabeth wife of Richard Stoy buried
The above list was confirmed by reviewing Brockenhurst parish register Fisch # 6343382 SLC Gen. Library.
From the parish register it is noted that the Stoys were active in Brockenhurst from 1641 through 1688.A number of pages were missing, torn or illegible, which would increase the number of family members.At least half the register was not available for review.It is interesting to note that we did not find reference to the Stoys before 1641 or after 1688.It appears that Richard was married twice first to Catherine Butler and then to Elizabeth.Also of this listed group of husbands, it appears that only Richard survived.We must assume that Richard from the parish registers is Richard the elder deceased of the Vaggs lease.
I couldn’ find any more Stoys as I carried on looking up to 1865.There was some inter-marrying between the villages of Brockenhurst and Hordle but not involving Stays - they are about 5 miles apart.”
Note from Harry Stay 2/4/2000
I went up to the County record office again last month to see if I could advance the Brockenhurst Stay project, but information was hard to come by and many records unreadable, however I did find the Baptism of Catherine, daughter of John Stay in Boldre on 19 May 1672 (John Stay of Brockenhurst).Presumably, she is the same Catherine as is listed in the original information September 1683 Catherine, daughter of John Stay@ i.e. she was 11 years old when she died.
The name Stay occurs occasionally in the records but I don=t think it is more than a misreading of poor writing!E.g. I found a Thomas Stay living in Fawley in 1665.
I thought you might appreciate the main subject of the Family History Magazine - Virtually anyone who failed to attend the Church of England was a recusant@. (Harry’s note)
Boldre is halfway between Brockenhurst and Lymington.
Fawley is on the West side of Southampton waters.
The notation from Betty Peters that one – John Stoy was listed in 1682/1683 as having “difficulties with the calendar change made problems”.
In reference to the calendar change we note the following reference from Will Durants “A history of Civilization Volume 9ered that the eleven days following the second of September 1752 were to be omitted from the “New Style”; that begin not on March 25 but on January 1.This involved complications in business dealings and ecclesiastical holydays: it stirred many protests, and angry Britons demanded, “Give us back our eleven days” - - but in the end science triumphed over bookkeeping and theology.”From this account, arguments over the calendar must have been a major issue during the 1680s some70 years prior to the act of Parliament.
“The English Calendar.The English do not use the new Gregorian Calendar, because their secession from the Apostolic See took place before the reform of the Calendar, and those who brought about the schism would disdain to accept even good things coming from the Sovereign Pontiff.They begin their new year on the 25th of March and the first day of each month is ten days later than the first day of the month in the new Calendar.Hence 11th April at Rome and the 1st April in England coincide.Only the historians, at Camden bears witness, Begin the year with the first of January, and we shall do the same.In other respects we shall follow the ancient Calendar when we describe events which occurred in England - - and these will take us all our time.”English Persecutions of Catholics -Vol 47 Catholic History Society page 172
It is important to note that the name of Stoy had a spelling change to Stay sometime before 1778.This is a significant finding to tie the Brockenhurst Stoys to the Hordle Stays.See Vaggs Lane Lease document for details. 
Richard STAY, (1) (Stoy)
 
127 !Marriage to Alford Nethercott recorded in Salt Lake temple records.

This may not be the case because records also show a Alfred Nethercott married to Charlotte Pearce born 4 March 1835, perhaps he was a widower and remarried into the Pearce family who were associated with each other about this time.

Sarah was rebaptized into the Independent Chruch, Christchurch on 22 Jun 1828. Her birth date is derived from this record as 13 Feb 1825

Information about Alfred Nethercott who married Charlette Pearce sister to Sarah Pearce wife of Joseph Stay.

Alfred Nethercott had been a member of The Queen's Guard in England and was proficient in the Marshal Arts. He emigrated and lived in the Provo area where he was an "enforcer" or acted as the Law. The family indicate that he was got into trouble and killed a man suposidly by orders from Brigham Young. He became disenfranchized with the Church (perhaps excommunicated) and moved to Sacramento where he established a gym to teach boxing and other techniques. He latter established a freighting business moving merchandise from California to the minning camps in Montana and Wyoming. The family were some of the early settlers in Jackson Hole. In the book "An Ensign To The Nations" History of the Oakland Stake by Evelyn Candland, Alfred and his sone Charles are referenced.

"on December 5, 1890, the family was baptized by John Pickett in the Ocean and Mark Lindsey confirmed them as members of the Church." The Nethercotts had been active as members of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Alfred Nethercott, "an old Utah Mormon", came to California for gold in the 1860s and joined the RLDS Church after a number of years.

In October 1890 after warnings to stop preaching the doctrine of the "Utah Church," Nethercott was excommunicated from the RLDS Church. He then wrote to Seymour B. Young of the First Council of the Seventy asking what he should do to be rebaptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saings. Alfred returned to Ogden Utah and his son Charles remained in California and was active as one of the early leaders of the Chruch in the Bay Area.

Alfred Nethercott had been a member of The Queen's Guard in England and was proficient in the Marshal Arts. He emigrated and lived in the Provo area where he was an "enforcer" or acted as the Law. The family indicate that he was got into trouble and killed a man suposidly by orders from Brigham Young. He became disenfranchized with the Church (perhaps excommunicated) and moved to Sacramento where he established a gym to teach boxing and other techniques. He latter established a freighting business moving merchandise from California to the minning camps in Montana and Wyoming. The family were some of the early settlers in Jackson Hole. In the book "An Ensign To The Nations" History of the Oakland Stake by Evelyn Candland, Alfred and his son Charles are referenced. 
Sarah STAY
 
128 !Sarah Jane Stay was rebaptized 10 MAY 1893
She was married three times, first to Charles Vaught, then to Charles Rutherford, at S-ls, Mssr. then to William J. Powell, 25 Dec. 1889. 
Sarah Jane STAY
 
129 !Source of birth Hordle parish register

!Source of birth Hordle parish register See sister's notes for Bettey about christening dates. 
Thomas STAY
 
130 Some confusion here, we also have his brother as being married to Ruth Robinson as recorded by Joseph H. Stay.

Rebaptized into the Independent (Congregational) Church in Christchurch on June 22nd 1828. His birth is recorded as Apr 3rd 1817 in that record.

!His marriage to Ruth Robinson was recorded by his nephew when his temple work was performed on 19 Jan 1894 by Joseph H. Stay in the Salt Lake Temple. Some confusion here, we also have his brother John as being married to Elizabeth Robinson as recorded by Joseph H. Stay. 
William STAY
 
131 !Baptisim GS #425449

!Ambrose Lewis son of Antiech & Martha Stoner bapt. 8 Dec 1756.

!Death- marker at St. Mary's Church Kingswood 
Ambrose Lewis STONER
 
132 !Marriage of Anthony Stoner -
Anthony Stoner of Gloucester and Martha Lewis married 22 Feb 1747
GS 942.41 Vol25 p Vol 9 Parish Registers (Phillimore's Marriage Index) What was learned from this marriage was Anthony's residence i.e. the large city of Gloucester. Also Martha's name was determined as Lewis. Interestingly Anthony and Martha Stoner had named one of their children Ambrose Lewis Stoner. This information provided further confirmation concerning Martha's maiden name ____Lewis. 
Anthony STONER
 
133 !The marriage of William Pearce, pig killer, and Hannah Tanner W, married 30 Jan 1787 was recorded in the Biship's Transcripts Film GS #425449 This entry indicated that Hannah Tanner was a widow and previously married to a _________Tanner. A review of the burial register of Kingswood indicated that several Thomas Tanner entries occured prior to Hannah's second marriage:
Thomas Tanner buried 5 Jan 1783
" 2 Oct 1781
" 22 Aug 1778
#425448 Kingswood, Gltshr, Eng. Baptisims
One of the Thomas' had been married to a Hannah and had two children by her born in Kingswood prior to his death. His marriage to Hannah was also located:
Thomas Tanner and Hannah Stoner married by license 14 may 1775
Kingswood, Gltshr, Eng. Parish Registers (Phillimore's Marr. Index)
942.41 V25p, Vol 9
Baptisim - Hannah dau of ant (Anthony) and Marth Stoner bapt 1 Mar 1753
GS Kingswood, Gltshr. Eng. Bishop's Transcripts #425449 William and Hannah Pearce had a child named Anthony, presumably, in honor of her father. Another child, was baptized Ambrose son of William and Hannah Pearce. Future discoveries located Hannah Stoner's grandfather as Ambrose Lewis. 
Hannah STONER
 
134 !Bapt. GS #425449 Kingswood, Gltshr Engl Baptisims
William son of Ant. & Martha Stoner received by the church having
being privately baptized previously 1 Mar. 1753

!Death From Markers at Kingswood Church died age 58 years 
William STONER
 
135 Jaon daughter of Richard is the earliest Brockenhurst Stoys The date is not clear in the parish register. Joan STOY
 
136 The christening of Joane and Richard in the St. Johns Church in Boldre is a significant finding in that it ties Richard and Joane to Boldre and Setley and Brockenhurst.

Joan of Arnewood and Richard of Hordle, Arnewood is a tything of the Hordle Parish adjacent to the Boldre parish line. . 
Joane STOY
 
137 A marriage between Richard Stoy and Catherine Butlor dated 22 Oct. 1641, was found in the Brockenhurst St. Nicholas Parish Register. No additional references show a Richard Stoy until the 1660 New Forest Court listing of Richard as a Juror in the Court. This marriage would date a probable child to this union. We have shown that the Stoy’s of Brockenhurst were Catholic. Often parish records during this period did not record children born outside the Anglican Church.

We also note: Katherine wife of Richard Stoy was buried Jan 5, 1679; this would likely be Catherine, Richard the elder’s mother. 
Richard STOY, Elder's father
 
138 On the Rentrol document we note that Richard Stoy the younger held the lease on the Vaggs Lane property for 55 lives. (55 years) This would be Peter’s great grandfather Richard the younger. With the lease of land in 1702 on the South end of Vaggs Lane, we postulate that Richard Stay the younger of Arnewood, husbandman, is the father of Peter’s grandfather, Richard, who married Hanna Hampton, born about 1721. The lease indicates that Richard’s wife-to-be at the time of the lease was Elizabeth Holley, daughter of Samuel Holley of Arnewood. (Note: Arnewood is a tithing on the north end of the parish of Hordle).

When we consider that Richard Stoy the younger held the lease for 55 years, and we assume that he was about 27 years old at the signing, then he would have lived to approximately 82 years.

We have labeled this Richard Stay to be the “younger” (see section about the lease on Vaggs Lane, and the Rentrol regarding the property for additional details).

The christening of Joane and Richard in the St. Johns Church in Boldre is a significant finding in that it ties Richard and Joane to Boldre and Setley and Brockenhurst.

Joan of Arnewood and Richard of Hordle, Arnewood is a tything of the Hordle Parish adjacent to the Boldre parish line. .


Lease Between Sir Richard Smyth and Richard Stoy the younger
1702
Introduction
This document is a 300 year old text from the lease of property on Vaggs Lane in the parish of Hordle between Sir Richard Smyth and Richard Stay (Stoy) dated 1702. The document is about 18 inches by 32 inches is on parchment and held in the Hampshire Record Office Ref 8M56/86. The text is in old English and is very difficult to read. We have after much work, got all but a few words. We also may have made some minor mistakes in recording the text into modern English. We have a photocopy of the lease and have recently tied this Richard Stay, his wife to be, Elizabeth Holley and his Brother William Stoy to our line through a second document describing the property. This document is referenced in the Peter Stay history that puts it into perspective and locates the actual location of the property. It also identified Richard Stoy the elder, Richards father, who is likely the Richard Stoy from Brockenhurst. The words we cannot interpret are in bold print. We have left some of the words in their old English spelling. The name of Stoy is used throughout the document however a later document of 1778 regarding the property spells the name as “Stay”. This is further evidence that the Richard Stoy of Brockenhurst may be our line. We acknowledge the work of Lynda Watts of Hampshire, England who provided us with a copy of the original lease from the Hampshire record office. Note: Gary Stay and Harry Stay went to the HRO and looked at the lease and took digital pictures of it.
Text of Lease
THIS INDENTURE made the Nine and Twentieth day of September in this first year of the reign of most gracious Sovereign Lady Anne by the grace of God of England and Scotland France and Ireland Queen Defender of the Faith on Anno Domini 1702 BETWEEN Sir Robert Smyth of Buckland within the parish of Limington and County of Southam (Hampshire) Baronet, and Jane Anne his wife of the one part, and Richard Stay the younger of Arnwood within the parish of Hordle and County aforesaid Husbandman of the other part. WITNESSETHb that they the said Sir Robert Smyth and Jane Anne his wife for and in consideration of the sum of three pounds of good and lawful money of England to them or one of them in hand well and truly paid before the sealing and piere hereof cleerly of by this said Richard Stoy. The receipt whereof they do acknowledge and confess and thereof & every part and parcell thereof cleerly acquit exoidale and discharge the said Richard Stay his executors and administrators and assigns and eidy of them for ever by those presents As also for and in consideration of the yearly rent and under the covenants conditions and agreements in these presents mentioned and expressed HAVE devised granted leased and to farm lett And by those presents do devise grant lease and to farm lett unto the said Richard Stay ALL that their tenement situate and being near the South end of Vaggs Lane in Arnwood aforesaid with an orchard and garden thereunto adjoining containing by estimated forty luggs of ground be it more or less and is bounded with the Common of Arnwood afores’d on the East West and South Parts. And the land late of John Button Esq. deceased now in the possession of Mathias Bungay on the North part. Together with all Commons freedoms liberties privileges rights and appurtenances there unto applying to be taken used and enjoyed in as large and ample manner as other tenants of the same Lordship do for such like tenant All which said premises before devised were lately in the tenure or occupation of Richard Stoy the elder but are now in the tenure use and occupation of the said Richard Stoy pertaining to these presents and are being and lying in Arnwood aforesaid `within the said parish of Hordle and county of Southam TO HAVE AND TO HOLD the said tenement garden and orchard and all and singular the premises before devised unto him the said Richard Stoy the younger his executors and administrators and assignor from the day of the date hereof for and during and unto the full end and term of fourscore and nineteen years from thence next ensuing fully to be complete and ended (if he of the said Richard Stoy the younger Elizabeth Holley Daughter of Samuel Holley of Arnwood) aforesaid Weaver and William Stoy Brother of the said Richard Stoy or any or eyther of them shall so long happen to live and not otherwise YEILDINGE and paying therefore yearly and every year unto the said Sir Robert Smyth. If the said Jane Anne his Wife during their joint lives and from and after the death of the Sir Robert if the said Jane Anne shall him survive then to the said Jane Anne during her life and from and after the death of the said Jane Anne Then to such persons to whom the reversion of the said premises next after death of the the whole continuance of the said term hereby granted one couple of good pullets in and upon the first day of January commonly called New years day AND the said Richard Stoy partly to these presents doth consent promise and agree for himself his executors and administrators and assignes to and with the said Sir Robert Smyth & Jane Anne his wife their heirs and assignors that he the said Richard Stay his executors and administrators and assignors shall and will duly pay the said couple of pullets every year as before is expressed and agreed upon to be paid and shall and will from time to time and at all times hereafter at his and their own proper costs and charges well and sufficiently repair uphold sustain and maintain hedge with ditch enclose fence and preserve all and singular the said devised premises in all manner of needful and necessary repairs when and as often as need shall require and the same and every part Thereof being so well and sufficiently repaired upholden sustained & maintained hedged, ditched enclosed fenced and preserved shall and will at the determination of this devised lease have and yield up unto the said Sir Robert Smyth and Jane Anne his wife and to such persons as the reversion of the said premises next after the death of the said Jane Anne shall belong their heirs and assigned AND the said Richard Stay the younger for himself his heirs executors and administrators assignes doth by these presents further consente promise and grant to & with the said Sir Robert Smyth and Jane Anne his wife their executors and administrators that in case the said Richard Stoy Elizabeth Holley and William Stoy or any or eyther of them shall happen to dye during the life of said Jane Anne that then he the said Richard Stoy his executors and administrators and assignees immediately upon the death of such of them as shall so happen to dye at the request cost and charges in the law of the said Sir Robert Smyth or Jane Anne his wife during the life of the said Sir Robert Smyth or the Jane Anne shall and will surrender up this indenture and the estate & term hereby granted and take a new lease of the said premises for the life or lives or for the term of ninety nine years determinable upon the life or lives of such of them the said Richard Stoy Elizabeth Holley and William Stay as shall be livinge at the time of such request & the life or lives of one or two persons to be nominated by the said Sir Robert Smyth and Jane Anne his wife so the said premises may be held under the said Sir Robert Smyth and Jane Anne his wife or under the said Jane Anne if she shall survive him for three lives or for the term of ninety nine years determinable on three lives under the like rent and consent as in these presents are contained with said premises with the appurtenances and all the estate terme and interest so to be granted in the same from and after the decease of the said Richard Stoy Elizabeth Holley and William Stoy respectively shall be in trust for the said Sir Robert Smyth and Jane Anne his wife their respective executors and administrators and assignor. And in case the said Richard Stay his executors and administrators and assignes shall make default of surrendering & yielding up this presents lease upon such request as aforesaid lease presents and every grant and convent and agreement on the leasers part herein contained shall be utterly void and of none effect any thing herein contained to the contrary thereof in any wise not withstanding AND the said Sir Robert Smyth for himself and for the said Jane Anne his wife and for their heirs executors and administrators and assignor and for each of them doth by those presents consent promise and grant to and to the said Richard Stoy partly to those presents his executors and administrators and assignes that it shall and may be lawful to and for the said Richard Stoy his executors and administrators and assignees from time to time for and during all the said term herby devise of for and under the yearly rent and performance of the consent and agreements before expressed and peaceably and quietly to have hold use occupy posesse and enjoy the said before devised premises by part and parcel thereof with appenrtes without the lawful lett trouble contradiction or denial of the said Sir Robert Smyth and Jane his wife or any person or persons lawfully claiming or by from or under them or either of them in witnesses where of the prior above said have to these persons indentures sett interchangeable their hand and seals the day and (date) first above written. On the Stayfamily.com WEB site we have a digital photo showing several lines from the Indenture document showing the name spelled as “Stoy”. It also shows Richard Stay’s father i.e. “Richard Stoy the elder 
Richard STOY, (the younger) Arnewood, husbandman
 
139 The source of this Richard Stay (Stoy) is from the lease for the orchard on Vaggs Lane which listed Richard Stay the younger son of Richard Stay the Elder of Arnewood.

We assume that this Richard Stay is the same as the recusant Richard Stay of Brockenhurst. A search of the parish records does not show a Richard Stay after the date of the recusant notations in Brockenhurst parish. But do find that Stays in all likelyhood moved South to the area of Arnewood.

We also assume that this Richard Stay is the same as Richard Stoy who is listed as a yoeman and a member of the Brockenhurst Swainscourt group of four men listed.

See the Peter Stay History (WWW.Stayfamily.org) for details about the recusant Stays and Richard Stoy.

DEATH: Richard Stoy the Elder was listed as dead at the time of the 1702 lease of orchard on Vaggs Lane

BIRTH: Likely born in Brockenhurst where the family lived in the early and mid 1600s

The IGI lists Richard Stoy of Brockenhurst born about 1616 film #537734

IGI also lists a marriage between Richard Stoy and Catherine Burton Dated 6 Oct 1641

Note: The Parish records of Brockenhurst list another marriage 1641 Richard Stoy married Catherine Butler August 4th .

BIRTH: Likely born in Brockenhurst where the family lived in the early and mid 1600s 
Richard STOY, The Elder of Arnewood
 
140 The source of this Richard Stoy is from the lease for the orchard on Vaggs Lane that listed Richard Stoy the younger, son of Richard Stoy the Elder deceased of Arnewood.

We also assume that this Richard Stoy is the same as Richard Stoy who is listed as a yoeman and a member of the Brockenhurst Swainscourt group of four men listed.

See the Peter Stay History (WWW.Stayfamily.org) for details about the recusant Stoys and Richard Stoy.

DEATH: Richard Stoy the Elder was listed as dead at the time of the 1702 lease of orchard on Vaggs Lane His death would be about the same date as that of his Inventory (will) or in 1692.

BIRTH: Likely born in Brockenhurst where the family lived in the early and mid 1600s

The IGI lists Richard Stoy of Brockenhurst born about 1616 film #537734 this listing could be him or his father.

IGI also lists a marriage between Richard Stoy and Catherine Burton Dated 6 Oct 1641
The Parish Register lsits this Catherine as Burlor.

Note: The Parish records of Brockenhurst list another marriage 1641 Richard Stoy married Catherine Butlor August 4th .

Our logic is as follows: A son Richard (the elder) born 1 to 2 years after the marriage of Richard and Catherine in 1641. He would have been about 18/19 years old when he first served as a juror. He would have been 22 years old when recorded in 1663 at Setley. He would have been 27 years old when last served as a juror in 1669, He would have been 33 yrs old when Richard the younger was born on July 22 1675 in Hordle. Catherine his wife died when he was 37 years old. He would have been 50 years old when the Inventory (will) was made at time of his death in 1692.

Therefore, we declare Richard Stoy and Catherine Butlor both of Brockenhurst to be the parents of Richard Stoy the elder.

The record of the lease, (see Vaggs Lane Lease ) indicates that Richard Stay the younger’s father was “Richard Stay the elder of Arnewood, deceased”.

We have recently (Nov. 2008), found an “Inventory of Richard Stoy of Brockenhurst, Hampshire, Husbandman dated 1692” ( HRO 1692AD/42) This inventory is related to his death 10 years prior to the lease that references “Richard Stoy the Elder deceased”. The Inventory was compiled by two appraisers for a total estate of 37.15 pounds. It lists items to be distributed to Jr. (Junior, and a Grandson but does not list the names). The inventory listed his death date as 14 February 1692 (note, only two listed in the Inventory).

Richard Stoy of Brockenhurst and Brookley. In the Hampshire Record Series Volume V “A Calendar of New Forest Documents” The fifteenth to Seventeenth Centuries, a Richard Stoy was located. He is referenced in the Calendar of New Forest dated 14 September, being fifteen days before Michaelmas, in the year 1660 and four other dates to 1669.

This is known as the Roll of Swainmote Court in which Richard Stoy served four years as a juror. He is also listed twice as a being a plaintiff, fined for allowing ten sheep to graze upon the forest land along with a number of others individuals at that time. The location of the occurrence was at Setley. Setley is just south of Brockenhurst about ¾ of a mile.
Setley is about 2 miles north from Vaggs Lane (See Study about the Swainmote Court).

We postulate that Richard the Elder is one and the same as the person listed in the Swainmote court records. This record places Richard Stoy in Brockenhurst and Setley prior to his residence at Arnewood in the Hordle Parish

In 1675, we place Richard Stoy the Elder living within the Parish of Hordle in the Tithing of Arnewood based upon two significant Boldre Parish entries:

Richard, son of Richard Stoy of Hordle, christened July 22 1675. (Birth of Richard the younger)

The second - Joane daughter of Richard Stoy of Arnewood christened Nov. 2, 1676 (Richard’s Sister).

Base upon these two Boldre Parish entries, Richard Stoy (the elder) relocated to Arnewood, in the Parish of Hordle prior to the birth of Richard (the younger) his son, and Joane his daughter. 
Richard STOY, (The Elder)
 
141 William is noted as the younger Brother of Richard the younger in the Vaggs Lane Lease William STOY
 
142 !Second wife of Jonathan Vick-46???
We are not sure this marriage is to our Jonathan Vick A death is recorded in Kingswood -
Mary Vick buried 21 June 1759 which is after Jonathan and Joan Vick
began having children? also four Jonathan Vick(s) deaths are recorded
in Kingswood any one could be our Jonathan. 
Mary UNKNOWN
 
143 Dorothy Foulger Constable, Sarah's grandaughter, remembers that Charles C. W. Vaught was a mounted policeman in St. Louis. That he was killed in the line of duty on November 14, 1871 age 38 years 10 months.
Dorothy also indicates that grandma indicated that Charles Vaught was her only true love. This finding would then indicate that Sarah Jane remained in New York after the family left for St. Louis sometime in 1859/59.

!First marriage of Sara Jane Stay Charles Vaught abt 1873 Second marriage " " " Charles Rutherford Third marriage " " " William J. Powell

It has now been learned that Charles Vaught was a policeman in St. Louis not New York. Need to see if we can find anything about his death or his parentage.

The 1870 census lists his birth place as Kentucky 
Charles VAUGHT
 
144 !birth recorded Kingswood Wilts bapt. GS #425449

!Mothers name was Mary - father married three times? It is possible that Ann is not in our line and that Ann was the wife of another Jonathan Vick we note a burial Mary Vick buried 21 June 1759 which is before our Mary was born, but we also have Joan and Jonathan producing children in 1755 and 1757. There are four Jonathan Vicks burried from 1767 thru 1803 all from Kingswood??? 
Ann VICK
 
145 !bapt. GS #425449 Kingswood Baptisims
James Vick bapt 28 Dec 1757 Kingswood Jonathan and Joan Vick 
James VICK
 
146 !Marriage -
Jas Vick and Mary Shatford married 1774 Tortworth, Glos
GS 942 k22b Boyd's Marriage Index
Researcher Notes: "Tortworth is a parish which is within five miles from King Stanley. As I reviewed the King Stanley BT's two other children were picked up in the baptismal register, one in 1676 and the other in 1675. This was ideal timing for the couple to marry one year prior to the birth of their first born. Secondly, the couple who had married in Tortworth were not having children in that parish as they had disappeared with no record of them being mentioned in the registers apart from their marriage in 1674. Thirdly, the coverage for marriages in the various Gloucestershire marriage indexes is approximately 95% and this possibility was the only viable one. Upon these points then I have accepted the above entry as ancestral." 
James VICK
 
147 !Joan Vick is listed as a twin to Thomas born same day Joan Twin to Thomas VICK
 
148 !Marriage - John Vick and Judith Wood married 9 Sept 1715 GS #855698 King Stanley, Gltshr. Eng. 942 k22b
The children of this marriage were also located this source.
Baptism - John son of James Vicke bapt. 31 July 1689 same source. 
John VICK
 
149 !Jonathan Vick -46 is the brother of Juideth Vick-45 who married John Worlock -34 of the Pearce line. Thus we have two branches of Vicks that come together with the family of John Vick-42 and Judith Wood -43. Geography - King Stanley is a small parish about 5 miles north of Kingswood Baptism - Jonathan son of John Vick bapt. 28 Mar 1725 - GS#855698 942 B46 King Stanley, Gltshr, Eng.
Researcher notes: "It appears from the Kingswood register that Jonathan Vick had married 3x since his wive's names were given as Margery, Mary and Joan. Joan was the mother of Mary Vick."
Death - Several deaths for Jonathan Vick(s) are noted in Kingswood,
Johathan Vick buried 22 Jan 1767
John Vick buried 9 Feb 1768
Jonathan Vick buried 28 Aug 1769
Jonathan Vick buried 18 July 1803

!We have assumed from other records that Jonathan Vick died on 28 Aug 1769 Kingswood Wilts Parish Record F. # 425449 GS Printout 820598 
Jonathan VICK
 
150 !bapt. GS #425449
Jonathan Vick bapt 31 Mar 1755 Kingswood -Jonathan and Joan Vick
three marriages of father?
Death - Jonathan Vick son of Jonathan Vick buried 9 Jan 1758 not sure this is Jonathan Jr's death? 
Jonathan Jr. VICK
 

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